People leaving false electronic signatures

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    Purchasing Dept 
    Asked on August 24, 2015 at 05:43 PM

    On our form we require buyers to place an electronic signatures. In some cases, we get some idiot people that think they can play little games by places a dot on the signature to bypass this requirement. Is there any way to ensure a valid signature is placed. Some of these people will place a dot to have the system think they left some sort of signature. Even though we have a disclaimer under the signature that tells these people that we wont respond to inquires with a falsifed signature we still get these type of people. 

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    Charlie
    Answered on August 24, 2015 at 11:01 PM

    Unfortunately, signatures are hard to verify, this is because it's solely up to the person on how to sign it. And we don't have a way to validate or verify it, unlike an email.

    We do have a new e-signature widget that you can use, check Adobe DC eSign services. Currently, what you can do is flag those submissions in your end and do not honor their submitted data. You can also verify their email address and contact them directly about an incomplete signature. You can use XVerify Email widget or the Email Validator widget, this will make sure that the email used is valid.

    I hope that helps.

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    Purchasing Dept 
    Answered on August 25, 2015 at 06:45 PM
     
    is there something perhaps that counts the number of pixels to validate an address. the people who place dots in the signature field know they have to place a signature in that field and are deliberately being jerks circumventing policies. Logic would dictate the more you move your cursor across the screen the pixel count increases, so if a valid signature is say 300 pixel positions, anything less than 300 would be someone not placing a valid signature.
     
    But thanks again with JotForms, we were using MachForm, but switched over to you guys. More features and alot more efficient .
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    Boris
    Answered on August 25, 2015 at 11:00 PM

    Thank you for your kind words. :)

    I understand what you mean with signatures, but unfortunately even that would not prevent a person from just drawing a line from one side to the other, or drawing a circle. Any error that would show them that their signature is too short would likely just make them try with a longer line.

    People tend to be inventive - if they are deliberately trying to fool the signature field, there is no way for us to programmatically prevent them from doing so on a simple signature-drawing field. Really the best way to work around these kinds of submissions is to use one of the methods our colleague has suggested above:

    1. You can use the Email Validator widget to make sure that they really have access to the email address that they have entered. This way, you can always contact them back to that address and inform them that their signature was invalid.

    2. You can use Adobe Document Cloud eSign service, which requires a far greater level of a person's authentication in order to have their submission digitally signed.

    I hope this helps.

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    Purchasing Dept 
    Answered on August 26, 2015 at 06:45 PM
     
    actually your right. they would try to draw a line instead of a few dots. but then again, any mark on a document is legally binding. you just have to match the IP address to them, but then again they can deny it was them. the only policy we have now is anyone that falsies the dispute the way they do, will not get any response,
    People who attempt to falsify or circumvent systems are basically telling companies what type of person they are, so therefore, we might decide to no longer accept future business from them, knowing they would pose a risk to companies. We required signatures on forms as a result of selected people and their conduct.
    Just thought there would be a way, but your right, they'd draw a straight line, but again a person's "Mark" on a document posses an interesting question to see if the form is legal or not. Some companies state that a signed document electronically is legal, where we still believe it has to be a face to face thing or "real ink".
    Was looking into what you suggested in Adobe, its called Adobe DC, that product is more of you sent a document to someone, they sign it and it comes back.
    But anyhows, guys thank you again for getting back to us. You definately have a great system. 
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    Boris
    Answered on August 26, 2015 at 07:54 PM

    You are kindly welcome, we try to do our best. We also appreciate your kind words about our system / services.

    Please don't hesitate to contact us again should you need any assistance with your forms, and we will be happy to help.

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    Purchasing Dept 
    Answered on August 27, 2015 at 02:45 AM
     calling it like we see it!
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    Purchasing Dept 
    Answered on September 06, 2015 at 08:45 AM
    Hi Guys . had a quick question.
    is it possible to have a field that the person can only enter a specific word or phrase. I want to have the form with the word I AGREE in the box. the person cant continue with any other data in that box except I AGREE>

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    jonathan
    Answered on September 06, 2015 at 03:02 PM

    Thank you for contacting us. We will resolve your next question separately here http://www.jotform.com/answers/655905

     

     

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    blakereynoldz
    Answered on January 06, 2016 at 11:48 AM

    I was wondering, is there some kind of disclaimer I can put on my form for the e-signature? I want to make sure that when people sign it (whether they are doodling or legitimately signing) that they are agreeing to everything listed on the form. Just didn't know if you guys had a template made up of an e signature disclaimer I could use so people don't try and get out of something. 
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    Charlie
    Answered on January 06, 2016 at 01:14 PM

    @blakereynoldz

    To better discuss your concern, I have opened a separate thread for it. Please refer to this link: http://www.jotform.com/answers/737847 

    Thank you for your understanding.